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08:41:15 AM Start
08:41:33 AM SB304
08:50:19 AM Round-table Discussion: Statutory Regulator Tools to Address Over Escapement and Foregone Harvest in Prince William Sound & Lower Cook Inlet
09:44:33 AM Adjourn
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+ SB 304 CFEC AS INFORMATION RESOURCE TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Round Table Discussion: Statutory and TELECONFERENCED
Regulatory Tools to Address
Over-escapement and Foregone Harvest in
Prince William Sound, Lower Cook Inlet
- ADF&G, Commercial Fishing Groups,
Processors
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                            
                         April 2, 2008                                                                                          
                           8:41 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Paul Seaton, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Kyle Johansen                                                                                                    
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux                                                                                                 
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Lindsey Holmes                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 304                                                                                                             
"An Act authorizing an Alaska regional development organization                                                                 
to use the Alaska Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission as an                                                                   
informational resource."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ROUND-TABLE DISCUSSION:  STATUTORY REGULATOR TOOLS TO ADDRESS                                                                   
OVER-ESCAPEMENT AND FOREGONE HARVEST IN PRINCE WILLIAM SOUND &                                                                  
LOWER COOK INLET                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 304                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: CFEC AS INFORMATION RESOURCE                                                                                       
SPONSOR(s): COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
03/12/08       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/12/08       (S)       CRA                                                                                                    
03/18/08       (S)       CRA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 211                                                                               
03/18/08       (S)       Moved SB 304 Out of Committee                                                                          
03/18/08       (S)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
03/19/08       (S)       CRA RPT 2DP 2NR                                                                                        
03/19/08       (S)       DP: OLSON, THOMAS                                                                                      
03/19/08       (S)       NR: KOOKESH, WAGONER                                                                                   
03/26/08       (S)       TRANSMITTED TO (H)                                                                                     
03/26/08       (S)       VERSION: SB 304                                                                                        
03/27/08       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/27/08       (H)       FSH, FIN                                                                                               
04/02/08       (H)       FSH AT 8:30 AM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DAVE GRAY, Staff                                                                                                                
to Senator Donald Olson                                                                                                         
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Presented  SB  304  on behalf  of  Senator                                                             
Olson,  chair  of  the  Senate  Community  and  Regional  Affairs                                                               
Committee the bill sponsor.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAVE COBB                                                                                                                       
Valdez Fisheries Development Association (VFDA)                                                                                 
Valdez, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated  in the round-table discussion:                                                             
Statutory  Regulator   Tools  to  Address  Over   Escapement  and                                                               
Foregone Harvest in Prince William Sound & Lower Cook Inlet.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN HILSINGER, Director                                                                                                        
Division of Commercial Fisheries                                                                                                
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated  in the round-table discussion:                                                             
Statutory  Regulator   Tools  to  Address  Over   Escapement  and                                                               
Foregone Harvest in Prince William Sound & Lower Cook Inlet.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAN GRAY, Regional Management Biologist                                                                                         
Bristol Bay Salmon                                                                                                              
Togiak Herring and Prince William Sound Salmon & Herring                                                                        
Division of Commercial Fisheries                                                                                                
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated  in the round-table discussion:                                                             
Statutory  Regulator   Tools  to  Address  Over   Escapement  and                                                               
Foregone Harvest in Prince William Sound & Lower Cook Inlet.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TRACY LINGNAU, Regional Management Biologist                                                                                    
Cook Inlet Salmon and Central Region Shellfish & Groundfish                                                                     
Division of Commercial Fisheries                                                                                                
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated  in the round-table discussion:                                                             
Statutory  Regulator   Tools  to  Address  Over   Escapement  and                                                               
Foregone Harvest in Prince William Sound & Lower Cook Inlet.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LEE HAMMARSTROM, Area Management Biologist                                                                                      
Lower Cook Inlet Salmon & Herring                                                                                               
Division of Commercial Fisheries                                                                                                
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated  in the round-table discussion:                                                             
Statutory  Regulator   Tools  to  Address  Over   Escapement  and                                                               
Foregone Harvest in Prince William Sound & Lower Cook Inlet.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JERRY MCCUNE, Lobbyist                                                                                                          
Cordova District Fishermen United (CDFU)                                                                                        
Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated  in the round-table discussion:                                                             
Statutory  Regulator   Tools  to  Address  Over   Escapement  and                                                               
Foregone Harvest in Prince William Sound & Lower Cook Inlet.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GLENN HOLLOWELL, Area Management Biologist                                                                                      
Copper River and Prince William Sound Salmon                                                                                    
Division of Commercial Fisheries                                                                                                
Alaska Department of Fish & Game (ADF&G)                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated  in the round-table discussion:                                                             
Statutory  Regulator   Tools  to  Address  Over   Escapement  and                                                               
Foregone Harvest in Prince William Sound & Lower Cook Inlet.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANTHONY SYVERTSON, Offshore Commercial Fisherman                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:     During   the  discussion   on  Statutory                                                             
Regulator Tools  to Address Over Escapement  and Foregone Harvest                                                               
in  Prince William  Sound  & Lower  Cook  Inlet, asked  questions                                                               
regarding Southeast region.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAVID REGGIANI                                                                                                                  
Prince William Sound Aquaculture Corporation (PWSAC)                                                                            
Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated  in the round-table discussion:                                                             
Statutory  Regulator   Tools  to  Address  Over   Escapement  and                                                               
Foregone Harvest in Prince William Sound & Lower Cook Inlet.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID OTNESS, Independent Operator                                                                                              
Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated  in the round-table discussion:                                                             
Statutory  Regulator   Tools  to  Address  Over   Escapement  and                                                               
Foregone Harvest in Prince William Sound & Lower Cook Inlet.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PAUL   SEATON  called  the  House   Special  Committee  on                                                             
Fisheries  meeting  to  order at  8:41:15  AM.    Representatives                                                             
Seaton, Johnson, LeDoux,  and Edgmon were present at  the call to                                                               
order.   Representative Johansen  arrived as  the meeting  was in                                                               
progress.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 304-CFEC AS INFORMATION RESOURCE                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:41:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
SENATE  BILL NO.  304,  "An Act  authorizing  an Alaska  regional                                                               
development organization  to use the Alaska  Commercial Fisheries                                                               
Entry Commission as an informational resource."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON stated  his intent to have SB  304 introduced today,                                                               
and  hold it  in committee  for  testimony, and  discussion at  a                                                               
future hearing.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:43:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVE  GRAY,   Staff,  to  Senator  Donald   Olson,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, explained  how commercial  fishing is  a substantial                                                               
economic engine for  each region of the state.   This legislation                                                               
allows  the  Alaska  Regional  Development  Organization  (ARDOR)                                                               
groups  to obtain  Commercial Fisheries  Entry Commission  (CFEC)                                                               
information free  of charge.   He reported  that the  senator has                                                               
received many  requests to  have this  service made  available to                                                               
assist ARDOR  programs in attaining  the goals  established under                                                               
AS 44.33.895; to wit:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
      Sec. 44.33.895.  Alaska regional economic assistance                                                                      
     program. [See delayed repeal note]                                                                                         
          (a) The department shall                                                                                              
         (3) gather information about regional economic                                                                         
    issues,   international   trade,   and   tourism   from                                                                     
     organizations;                                                                                                             
          (4) serve as liaison between organizations and                                                                        
     other state  agencies and  encourage other  agencies to                                                                    
     make resources  available to  help accomplish  goals of                                                                    
     the organizations;                                                                                                         
          (5) assist each organization to                                                                                       
          (A) provide services designed to encourage                                                                            
     economic   development   to   local   communities   and                                                                    
     businesses;                                                                                                                
          (B) collect and distribute economic information                                                                       
     relevant to the region;                                                                                                    
          (C) participate in state marketing campaigns and                                                                      
     join  state trade  missions that  are  relevant to  the                                                                    
     region; and                                                                                                                
          (D) develop and implement strategies to attract                                                                       
     new     industry,     expand    international     trade                                                                    
     opportunities,   and  encourage   tourism  within   the                                                                    
     region.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:47:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX questioned:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     There are  a number  of us in  this building  that have                                                                    
     heard  that this  bill ...  is simply  a vehicle  bill,                                                                    
     designed to add  ... the scallops and the  hair crab; a                                                                    
     bill  [HB 16]  which  hasn't progressed.   What's  your                                                                    
     comment on this.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GRAY  responded  the  title is  fairly  tight,  and  remains                                                               
specific to the ARDOR group's receipt of CFEC information.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  asked  if  the sponsor  would  commit  to                                                               
opposing  the bill,  should  efforts be  made  to add  additional                                                               
topics.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. GRAY said it would be  presumptive, on his part, to make that                                                               
commitment  on  behalf  of  Senator Olson.    However,  the  core                                                               
substance represents  the intent of  the bill, which  the senator                                                               
would  like to  see move  forward.   To a  follow-up question  he                                                               
indicated that  the senator  may be  available for  questions, at                                                               
the next hearing.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:49:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  requested   the  current  statutory/constitutional                                                               
limitation  language, that  restricts  CFEC  from providing  this                                                               
information, be made available to the committee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[SB 304 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^Round-Table Discussion:   Statutory  Regulator Tools  to Address                                                             
Over Escapement  and Foregone Harvest  in Prince William  Sound &                                                             
Lower Cook Inlet                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:50:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced  that the next order of  business would be                                                               
a  round-table discussion  on the  statutory  regulator tools  to                                                               
address over escapement, and foregone  harvest, in Prince William                                                               
Sound and Lower Cook Inlet.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON reminded  the  committee that  the  purpose of  the                                                               
discussion is not a fault finding  mission, but rather a means to                                                               
dialogue  with the  department, industry,  processors, and  other                                                               
concerned  entities.   He  provided  the  definition of  foregone                                                               
harvest,  for  purposes  of  this   hearing,  and  explained  the                                                               
consequences  when a  monitored stream  either surpasses  or does                                                               
not realize  maximum or minimum  escapement goals.   Consequences                                                               
of  these  escapement goal  disparities  raise  concerns for  the                                                               
biological  health  of  the  stream,  salmon  run  survival,  and                                                               
economic concerns.  Decidedly, it  is important to recognize that                                                               
the means for  meeting these goals is not a  precise science, and                                                               
thus  reviewing monitored  systems on  a continuous  basis is  an                                                               
important part of the process.   For the systems where statistics                                                               
indicate continued  trends for being above  goals, solutions need                                                               
to be explored,  by the assembled group.   He recalled highlights                                                               
of the  previous two meetings [3/19/08,  Southeastern region, and                                                               
3/26/08,  Bristol  Bay  and Westward  regions]:    adaptation  of                                                               
processing  schemes, improvement  of product  transportation, and                                                               
reviewing  the  allowed fishing  time.    Discussion also  ensued                                                               
regarding  the pink  salmon escapement  goal  analysis, means  of                                                               
viewing  the   foregone  harvest  goal,  potentials   for  direct                                                               
marketing vessels, and aggregative transport methods.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:57:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVE  COBB,  Valdez  Fisheries  Development  Association  (VFDA),                                                               
described   the   VFDA   as  a   small,   hatchery,   aquaculture                                                               
organization  in the  eastern district  of  Prince William  Sound                                                               
(PWS); not  a regional association.   Despite its size,  the VFDA                                                               
is one of the largest producers of pink salmon in PWS.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:59:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   SEATON  directed   attention   to   the  ADF&G   Regional                                                               
Information  Reports No.  5J08-01, titled  "Success in  Achieving                                                               
Salmon  Escapement Goals  in  Monitored  Systems," [No.  5J08-02,                                                               
titled "Potential  Unrealized Harvest  and Exvessel  Value,"] and                                                               
5J08-03,  titled "Estimated  Numbers  of Salmon  Above the  Upper                                                               
Range of the  Escapement Goal and Estimated  Value of Unharvested                                                               
Fish," contained in the committee packet.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:00:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  HILSINGER,  Director,  Division  of  Commercial  Fisheries,                                                               
Alaska  Department  of  Fish  &   Game  (ADF&G),  introduced  the                                                               
departmental biologists participating in the discussion.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:01:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAN  GRAY, Regional  Management  Biologist,  Bristol Bay  Salmon,                                                               
Togiak  Herring  and  Prince  William  Sound  Salmon  &  Herring,                                                               
Division  of Commercial  Fisheries, Alaska  Department of  Fish &                                                               
Game (ADF&G),  paraphrased from a prepared  statement, which read                                                               
as follows  [original punctuation provided], with  referrals to a                                                               
table in report #5J08-1 page 4:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Copper River Sockeye                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          Comm. fishery opens on or near May 15 w/ 2                                                                            
     periods per  week.  Escapement monitored  at Miles Lake                                                                    
     Sonar.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          Many individual stocks of sockeye and kings.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Typical situation leading to excess escapement is                                                                     
     delayed run  associated with cold spring  temps and low                                                                    
     water levels.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          This results in early season closures - problem                                                                       
     occurs when the run resumes  in a strong wave and jumps                                                                    
     ahead of the [escapement] curve.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          The dept is attempting to find a sonar site in                                                                        
     the lower river to give early notice of run entry.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Copper River Coho                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Two causes of large escapements:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
               Fish move on high water events when aerial                                                                       
               assessment is difficult.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
               Loss of markets as processors close for the                                                                      
               season.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     PWS pink salmon                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          Wild stock pink salmon [escapement] goal is                                                                           
         spread among 200 index streams.  Few areas of                                                                          
     concentration for seiners.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        Through most of the return the majority of seine                                                                        
     effort is focused on hatcheries.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
        In 2003, the excess [escapement] was a result of                                                                        
     limited processing capacity.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
        Recent increase in processing capacity allowed a                                                                        
      record harvest of 60 million in 2007 with wild stock                                                                      
     escapement within the range.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:07:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TRACY LINGNAU,  Regional Management Biologist, Cook  Inlet Salmon                                                               
and   Central  Region   Shellfish  &   Groundfish,  Division   of                                                               
Commercial Fisheries,  Alaska Department of Fish  & Game (ADF&G),                                                               
provided statistics  for the Lower  Cook Inlet.  The  pink salmon                                                               
represent  the  largest part  of  the  harvest,  with a  10  year                                                               
average of  about 1.6  million, followed  by sockeye,  at 300,000                                                               
thousand.   Other fish  are harvested, but  pink and  sockeye are                                                               
the  targeted  species.   For  the  last  10 years,  sockeye  has                                                               
averaged $1.6  million in  exvessel value  to the  fisherman, and                                                               
pink  salmon have  averaged  $525,000 thousand.    The price  for                                                               
salmon  in Lower  Cook  Inlet has  remained  stable, with  slight                                                               
increases.   The  over escapement  goal concerns  for Lower  Cook                                                               
Inlet differ  from those of  the Central  Region.  The  inlet has                                                               
multiple small  fisheries, in remote locations,  that are weather                                                               
dependent  for access.   Fuel  costs effect  the availability  of                                                               
tenders, which  play an important  role on whether  the fishermen                                                               
choose to  make the  trip.   Management is  very flexible  in the                                                               
Lower Cook  Inlet.   The ten  year average  for seine  permits is                                                               
about  30, but  last year  only 19  fisherman participated.   The                                                               
ADF&G area  manager plays  an important  role in  coordination of                                                               
the fisheries to optimize the harvest.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:11:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  asked how  the  remote  stream systems  have  been                                                               
harvested; by direct market vessels  or small seiners with tender                                                               
support.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINGNAU deferred to the Area Management Biologist.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:12:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LEE  HAMMARSTROM, Area  Management  Biologist,  Lower Cook  Inlet                                                               
Salmon  &  Herring,  Division  of  Commercial  Fisheries,  Alaska                                                               
Department of Fish  & Game (ADF&G), asked for  a clarification of                                                               
the term  "direct marketer,"  and if it  acquaints to  a floating                                                               
processor.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  explained  that regulatory  changes  now  allow  a                                                               
fishing  vessel to  process their  own  boat caught  fish.   This                                                               
marketing  approach  has  seen  significant  development  in  the                                                               
Southeast  region, and  has  proven  particularly productive  for                                                               
harvesting remote stocks.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAMMARSTROM replied that he is  not aware of any interest for                                                               
direct  marketing.   He  described  the  Lower Cook  Inlet  seine                                                               
fleet, as  being comprised of  small vessels that  require tender                                                               
service to  transport remote area  harvests.  Only a  few fishing                                                               
boats  would have  the  ability to  chill,  brine, and  transport                                                               
their own catch.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:14:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  asked if  direct marketing  would be  a possibility                                                               
for remote streams where escapement is not being utilized.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HAMMARSTROM  stated  that   the  department  would  consider                                                               
anything that  helps utilize stock  abundance.  He  stressed that                                                               
in  Lower Cook  Inlet the  systems have  relatively low  returns.                                                               
With  species of  low  value,  such as  pink  salmon, the  volume                                                               
required for economic  gain is not sufficient for  members of the                                                               
fleet to pursue the stock.   However, some of the more productive                                                               
remote systems may lend themselves to a direct market approach.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  noted that  the Lower  Cook Inlet  foregone harvest                                                               
values are low and inconsistent, compared to other areas.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:16:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JERRY  MCCUNE,   Lobbyist,  Cordova  District   Fishermen  United                                                               
(CDFU), pointed out that, on  paper, the over escapement may look                                                               
high for  the Copper River system.   In reality the  fish tend to                                                               
hold  in  the  river  and  don't arrive  at  the  sonar  counting                                                               
station,   creating  a   situation   that   contributes  to   the                                                               
possibility  of  over  escapement.    He  described  the  fishing                                                               
strategies used  to maximize effort,  by the Copper  River fleet.                                                               
Locating a "lower"  site for a second sonar station  to track and                                                               
better  target the  run  would be  helpful.   Additionally,  many                                                               
direct marketers are challenged to  meet their orders and need to                                                               
rely on the ability to purchase  from other boats.  Under current                                                               
regulation this  is not allowed,  and he suggested  relaxing that                                                               
regulation.  Further,  he pointed out that the  Delta stocks need                                                               
to be considered,  when reviewing the Copper River  run, and that                                                               
the Prince  William Sound Aquaculture Corporation  (PWSAC) raises                                                               
200-400  thousand sockeye  that  all users  on  the Copper  River                                                               
benefit from.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:19:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON asked  if anyone uses the  transporter provisions to                                                               
aggregate  their  catch,  without  purchase,  as  is  allowed  in                                                               
current regulation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCUNE  explained how  the 12-24 hour  open seasons  occur on                                                               
the  Copper River,  and  the  availability of  the  tenders.   He                                                               
opined that he does not believe anyone aggregates their catch.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON said  the transporter permit is  free, and available                                                               
from  the  local state  office.    He  asked  if there  has  been                                                               
activity with this  permit in the seine or gill  net fisheries of                                                               
PWS.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:21:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GLENN  HOLLOWELL, Area  Management  Biologist,  Copper River  and                                                               
Prince William  Sound Salmon,  Division of  Commercial Fisheries,                                                               
stated that  there have been  no requests to issue  a transporter                                                               
permit through his office.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON suggested that there may  be a lack of knowledge and                                                               
understanding within the commercial  fleet of this regulation and                                                               
permit availability.  In the  absence of a tender, the regulation                                                               
allows one vessel to convey  their catch to another vessel, which                                                               
then transports  to the processor.   Previously,  transference of                                                               
catch was  considered a point  of sale,  and was disallowed.   He                                                               
opined that utilizing this permit  could solve some of the remote                                                               
fishery issues.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:23:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANTHONY  SYVERTSON,   Offshore  Commercial   Fisherman,  inquired                                                               
whether  the  Taku  River  gillnetters  could  benefit  from  the                                                               
transporter permit.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON said it is a free permit, available statewide.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:25:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCUNE  explained that the  fishery in the sound  is complex,                                                               
where the wild  returns to index streams and  the hatchery stocks                                                               
must both  be responsibly  harvested.   During the  2007 harvest,                                                               
the  processors  worked  to  full   capacity,  24  hours  a  day,                                                               
alternating two crews.   The ferry system and  AML [Alaska Marine                                                               
Line]  barges  were  used  to   transport  the  63  million  fish                                                               
harvested to Whittier and Anchorage.   He opined that it was good                                                               
year for  everyone, and it  would be hard to  do much better.   A                                                               
task  force,  comprised  of  representatives  from  each  fishing                                                               
group, will  be sitting down  soon to work  out a scheme  for the                                                               
coming harvest.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:27:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON noted that the  records for the Cooper River sockeye                                                               
indicate that there  is no significant over  escapement, and thus                                                               
not  much  foregone harvest  on  a  predictable basis,  for  that                                                               
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCUNE offered praise for  the department's efforts that have                                                               
contributed to  successful harvests in  PWS.  He referred  to his                                                               
previous   testimony,   for   additional  sonar   equipment   and                                                               
regulatory  loosening, as  additional  means  of supporting  this                                                               
harvest.  In  response to a query from Chair  Seaton, he said the                                                               
loosening  of  the regulation  would  allow  direct marketers  to                                                               
purchase small numbers of fish from other boats, to fill orders.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON suggested that for  the interim, the fishermen could                                                               
investigate the possibilities of a transporter permit.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:31:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  REGGIANI,  Prince  William Sound  Aquaculture  Corporation                                                               
(PWSAC), said that  PWS is fortunate to have  a tremendous amount                                                               
of processing  capacity, and that  he had  nothing to add  to Mr.                                                               
McCune's suggestions.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:31:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  OTNESS,  Independent  Operator, said  he  has  experienced                                                               
inconsistencies  with  Department of  Environmental  Conservation                                                               
(DEC)  requirements.   He suggested  that DEC  consider practical                                                               
level vs. book level requirements,  and cited the regulation that                                                               
boat processing  occur 1.5 miles  offshore.  With the  absence of                                                               
birds and blue  bottle flies at sea, this  requirement appears to                                                               
be superfluous.  He also pointed  out that the Crescent River has                                                               
seen  over  escapement  for  the  last five  years,  due  to  the                                                               
tender/transport situation.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:34:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  acknowledged  how  the subject  of  direct  market                                                               
vessels, and how that program can  be improved, has been a common                                                               
denominator  in  these  discussions,  which he  expects  will  be                                                               
addressed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:35:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EDGMON inquired  if the  biological/genetic study                                                               
of the salmon stock will be broached for discussion.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON characterized the topic:   What genetic analysis, or                                                               
in-season stock identification, is  occurring, or needs to occur,                                                               
to provide ADF&G knowledge of where  the fish are going, and thus                                                               
tailor openings  to accurately manage  the stock.   Additionally,                                                               
Chair Seaton queried if this would benefit fisheries statewide.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HILSINGER said  there  is some  ability  of in-season  stock                                                               
identification.  The Port Moller  test fishery performs this task                                                               
in Bristol Bay,  and improved the ability to  harvest some stocks                                                               
such as  a record run  returning to  Nushagak Bay.   He explained                                                               
the limited  ability to perform  this procedure, but  stated that                                                               
the department is attempting to implement it more frequently.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:39:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCUNE  conjectured that  genetic stock  identification might                                                               
be helpful in PWS.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:41:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. COBB praised the department's management of the fisheries.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:41:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  asked if  the  concern  for  the dispatch  of  roe                                                               
carcasses has been resolved.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. COBB responded  that the hatchery has developed  a market for                                                               
the  carcasses  with  a  pet  food  company.    Also,  aggressive                                                               
management by  ADF&G has been  helpful in optimizing  the useable                                                               
catch.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:44:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EDGMON  asked if  DEC will  be participating  in a                                                               
future discussion to address the direct marketing theme.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON responded that DEC  would be invited to participate,                                                               
at the upcoming discussions.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:44:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Fisheries  meeting was  adjourned at  9:44                                                               
a.m.                                                                                                                            

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